Russia’s Relations With America Have Gone Back to Normal…
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I had a comment that expressed the desire of hoping that Russia and America will not have a set back in their relationship over this spy issue. I have analyzed this situation from multiple angles and can not see any good that has come out of spy verses spy.
It had nothing to do with good or bad, right or wrong and spy verses spy. It had to do with the timing of the whole escapades and that was an intentional deliberation. It had to do with the fact that Obama made the decision to do what he did and it was a slap in the face to Medvedev…
At first I was thinking that Obama would not have done that. That he would have either made sure that the people were arrested before Medvedev came or wait until after he left and the G-8 and G20 were over. The fact that he choose how it came down has directed even my feelings on the issue. Building a relationship with Russia was important and a decade old case of a handful of dumb spies was not important. If these spies were so important why were they not picked up one, two, three or more years ago. They never ever came close to accomplishing anything of importance…
An example of change in thoughts comes from Mayor Yury of Moscow. Now many love the Moscow Mayor and then again many dislike him greatly. But I do know that he will say what is on his mind and that causes people to have issues with him…
Now the big news in Moscow is that they will help Vietnam build subways and Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov said, “For Moscow, Vietnam is the first priority compared to any other countries in terms of cooperation.”
So goes Moscow, goes Russia…
Take it how you want, but believe me after being here for almost 4 years. I know that he said this for a reason and that was not to convince Vietnam to get help doing a subway. Mayor Yury Luzhkov is a powerful man in Russia and I have learned by watching, that what he expresses is thinking’s from the Kremlin. I have also picked up multiples of changes in the way the news is presenting issues with America.
Many in Russia believe that looking West is degrading to the future of the country. Many believe that Russia should be concentrating on the surrounding and East side of the world.
Truth is, Relations With America Have Gone Back to Normal. This spy issue was just a reality check for Russia…
Lets hope they prove me wrong!
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Tags: Espionage, Russia and America
“Mr Leno also asked him why the US was only getting four people in return for the 10 accused spies they were letting go, saying it did not “seem fair”. Mr Biden responded by saying: “We got back four really good ones”. “And the 10, they’d been here a long time, but they hadn’t done much,” he added.”
Damn I am stating to wonder if America has lost there senses! If they were that bad then what was it all about. I need to think about this some more. Stupid damn commies make life difficult.
WB
The whole story is very fishy. It looks to me that Russian government was taken by surprise and confused. It did everything to hide details as quick as possible. President Medvedev’s decision to release real spies in exchange for “foreign agents” looks strange to me. It looked like a neo-cons PR election campaign in the very beginning and it probably still is, but a complete capitulation on Russian side makes the case more intriguing and less trivial.
The fact that “Russian spies” didn’t produce any real “intel” for the last 10 years makes me think that “foreign agent” status was just a disguise for more serious activities like … real money laundering, not those dozens of thousands that have been mentioned in the official accusations. Think about it: Russian oligarchs, controlled often by former ex-KGB bosses (including Putin), were never safe in Russia and were always looking for opportunities to smuggle capital abroad at first convenience. Having an international consulting firm like “Global Partners” was a perfect match for this purpose: it’s always hard to check for regulators what consulting services are really worth.
It’s just a theory and I think that we will never know the truth, but so far ruling elites got what they wanted:
1. Neo-cons sent a powerful message to Obama’s camp.
2. CIA got valuable and knowledgeable Russian sources.
3. FSB (former KGB) concealed the real goals of “foreign agents” and identities of their real bosses.
In regards of ordinary people on both sides on the pond: they’ve just been duped, as usual.
Really cant see what the big deal is, Countries will continue to spy on each other, both friend and foe.
There are still hundreds of Russian agents running around in the USA as there are American agents running around Russia.There was and always will be. The Americans seem to prefer using diplomats who when discovered get deported leaving their Russian moles to face the music.Russians seem to prefer infiltration their own nationals.
Everone is surprised that Russia initially denied they were spies. Big deal, the three CIA and one M16 spies so readily accepted for the swap were never acknowledged as spies by neither the CIA nor MI6.
I am quiet sure that this type of exchange happens almost yearly,but for some reason this one was made public knowledge. So soon after the presidents of the two countries met. My question is just whom were does arrests and press releases direct against. I think its time for Obama to do a bit of reshuffle of these around him.
While Mayor Yuri is lacking on social skills at times he does have an inside track deep in the heart of the Kremlin. Mayor Yuri does not say something unless he wants to strike back at things. Otherwise he is quiet as a fly on the wall.
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Kyle Keeton
I am not sure how Obama could have stopped this from happening.
Do you remember what happen when Nixon wanted Archibald Cox (Special Watergate Prosecutor) fired by then Attorney General Elliott Richardson?
Should the President interfere with the rule of law? Do you want your President interfering with the Justice Department? Isn't being any country under false identity illegal?
oh for chrissakes…
hey fbi?
hey cia?
hey o'bama?
this “spy story” is the LAMEST thing to come out of this administration…
there is no “spy story” here…
only a friggin black community organizer who is LOSING SUPPORT FROM THE MASSES…
LOL
QUIT MAKING SHT UP.
good god.. you people are pathetic.
The interesting part of the story is that FBI agents tried to make these spy do things for which they could be charged. Sounds like entrapment to me.
Crying shame there isn't a bullet in their heads. Our nation's safety is challenged by spies, and spies ought to be executed without exception.”
This is fine for the novice, but any professional espionage agent would know that cell phone intercepts are easily within the range of National Security Agency (NSA), capabilities.
STRATFOR, Intelligence On Line service, has suggested that a KGB/SVR defector to the U.S., in 2000, may have had an awareness of the inception of this seemingly innocuous “cell” of illegals. STRATFOR indicated that this defector died in June, and perhaps around the same time as the illegals in the U.S., working for the SVR, were beginning to suspect their time was coming for being “rolled up.”
Everyone has touted the “swap” as a good deal for the U.S., but not necessarily if the SVR managed to assassinate the higher level spy who defected to the U.S. in 2000. If the message was: WE were managing his defection, allowing him to take along some significant information (he allegedly knew of Aldrich Ames's and Robert Hansen's betrayals), and allowed the U.S. to focus on a new team of innocuous illegals … maybe they got the better deal. They would have signaled to any current Russian defectors that one might defect, but one won't ever outrun possible retribution/assassination. It's odd that the illegal network was primarily located in the East. What about other areas of the country, such as the West Coast, or other areas of technological or military/intelligence activities. Are we to believe that no illegal networks existed in those locations?
The entire thing seems “too good to be true,” when one remembers that Vladimir Putin was a former KGB colonel himself. Right now, this entire case seems puzzling if one looks @ the question: why put illegals into the country who aren't interested in classified information? What was the “pay off” if no one was successfully recruited by these “illegals?”
The spies who did no spying has to be arrested and deported before they could leave the country!? WTF
We are as stupid as the Government thinks we are if we believe the crap they tell us.
So what the hell let them leave Duh no we have to screw up relations with Russia over a bunch of worthless spy's.
Does anyone remember Get Smart the spy show?
I read that Obama was so excited about this spy issue and he could not talk enough to decide the perfect moment to spring the news.
Now they are trying to make us believe that the red head called home and we had to arrest them because they were running. Yes running. Well I am sorry but that would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money. Let them go home on their own coin. Instead we have a farce of a court trial starting and ship them home taxpayer expense. Then we get some idiots back. But they are all in Britain and do not want to leave or they want to go back to Russia. Stupid!?
Like children playing a game.
Franco
In the wake of the Medvedev-Obama hamburger summit, most normalized US-Russian parley of its kind in history, the FBI has launched indictments of 10 alleged Russian spies, who were not government officials and who had no access to US state secrets. There is no indication so far that the accused succeeded in reporting any valuable information. The FBI’s allegations concentrate rather on cat and mouse games between their agents and the defendants that could easily come out of the pages of Ian Fleming or John LeCarré. Skepticism based on this case is enhanced by the current media campaign around Sergei Tretyakov, supposedly a high-level defector from the Russian SVR foreign intelligence who claims that he was station chief in New York for five years. “The cold war never ended,” is Tretyakov’s main talking point. On June 17, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who owes his career to the sponsorship he enjoyed from Russophobe Zbigniew Brzezinski in the Carter National Security Council, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that Russia is “schizophrenic” about Iran — torn between fear of Iran as a security threat and the desire to cash in on lucrative trade deals. We are thus delaing with a pattern of events that add up to something of a neo-McCarthyite anti-Russian campaign. Is this campaign the handiwork of a US intelligence faction which does not like the current US-Russia rapprochement? The strident anti-Russian line of the Washington Post shows that a significant anti-Russian faction continues to agitate in Washington.
After 9/11 why do any of you believe ANY bone the government throws out there. Go get it news hounds! You’re such good journalists, yes you are, pat pat. This is a last ditch effort to start a war, any war, because that’s what makes a profit in this, a failed economy.
The thing that makes this most incredulous is how well the FBI documented this. Probably the best documented case ever!? Should bells go off? Why’s this sound like Spy fiction? Because that’s what it is.
Yes, But I wanna marry Anna Chapman, please bring her back!
Are we still in a “Cold War”?
I thought the Cold War ended some years ago. Why do I feel like I am in the twilight zone. Oh well, I guess some things change and some things never do.
Someone needs to tell Russia, if they haven't already heard, that the U.S., is in a RECESSION. Big Recession, Big, Big!
It's so big that half of the folks living in this country can't see or think straight, and that we are also fighting two wars. Oh and by the way, tell them that one of the countries that we are fighting, beat the crap out of them some years back, because we gave them weapons to do so.
So, with that, they have nothing to worry about. At least not right now, or any time in the near future. If they want, they can help us fight the Taliban and al Queda somewhere over in the Middle East. And tell them that we apologize for helping Afghanistan kick their tails back then. Tell them I said that, so that they will stop being so damn paranoid.
For the last several years, America has worried obsessively about Middle Easterners and assumed that old adversaries like Russia have become friendly democracies. The fact is that Russia traded communist totalitarianism for the totalitarianism of oligarchy, freedoms are still limited there and for those without power or money, it can be a brutal place. Hope this is a wake up call to ignorant Americans who thought it became Sweden when the Berlin Wall fell. It's very scary we have people like this living here, even more troublesome they got prestigious jobs and into prestigious grad schools on faked resumes. No fact checking- lots of laziness.
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This post is useful.
I have said from the beginning that the button was broke and Hillary broke it!